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February 11, 2005

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Robin Burk

Dead on, Rebecca. The rise of digital media and near-ubiquitous broadband (at least here in the US) means things have changed in fundamental ways for the news media. I for one am trying to help move the conversation away from the sort of partisan attacks which are well illustrated here and elsewhere. I think we are in great need of a serious dialogue about the roles and responsibility of both the professional journalists and also blogs. Cf. over at PoynterOnline and on Winds of Change.

LT

I like my politicians and my MSM to like America. I prefer my media to give me all the world news and then give me some that at least gives the American a fair shot. That includes the soldier.

Tom's post above reflects what most of us see and it's not a pretty picture. The media is riding that soldier's back, looking for something HE did wrong, when that poor man is just trying to fight a war without getting killed.

Unless you are the one riding that soldier's back or consider your political views more important than that soldier, there is something wrong with a lot of MSM. That is the problem really being addressed with Jordon.

Tom Grey

The death squad insurgents DO target journalists, like this one who was killed, along with his 3 year old son.
soxblog

CNN, and the Left, is having a big moral problem. How to fight evil. "morally."

Most US soldiers understand, kill the enemy when they're a threat, not when they give up. This is VAST moral superiority over the anti-US forces.

But soldiers are imperfect humans. And make mistakes, and abuse and kill, wrongly. Sometimes punished, often not. Justice is also highly imperfect.

The Left has wanted the US to lose in Iraq, has essentially been rooting for death squads to kill more, so as to "prove" that their own immoral opposition to booting Saddam was "correct". This Left includes Jordan.

He should have been fired in April 2003.

I'm glad he was good to you, and that you remain gracious to him. How bad would CNN have had to be, before April 2003 in Baghdad, for you to think it was so bad that Jordan should be fired?
(NOT criminally prosecuted or sued...)

Scott Lawton

p.lukasiak typed: "I'm curious, Rebecca, whether you will be so sanguine and detached when the right-wing decides to target you."

This issue is NOT right vs. left, not is it a "witch hunt" or a "lynch mob". First, many of the critics ARE on the left, e.g. Jeff Jarvis and Roger L. Simon. And, Instapundit and several other prominent bloggers are pro-choice, for gay marriage, and even for legalizing drugs. Is that your definition of "Conservative" or "far-right wing agenda"? It's worth pondering that many bloggers who are strictly conservative engage in constructive dialog with principled bloggers in the center and center/left. This country would be much better off if the mainstream left were nearly as open-minded.

In fact, if Rebecca ever did become the subject of controversy, her role in this affair would be weighed as a significant factor in her favor. She could have kept quiet, but had the courage to come forward. That matters, and people will remember it.

As Instapundit notes, Barney Frank also earned himself some credibility here. I guarantee that many of those on the center/right who would have dismissed him in the past are now more likely to listen to him in the future.

It's also important to realize that Eason Jordan came into this affair with a huge black mark on his ethical record: covering up for Saddam in exchange for access. And, he's made outrageous comments prior to Davos.

Absent absolute proof that every word he uttered was accurate, Eason Jodan shouldn't be saying them in an international forum.

It was known for quite some time that the US was abusing, torturing, and even killing Iraqi prisoners. And this torture and murder continued until the absolute proof that it was taking place was proferred.

And it appears that is the way you like it. Absolutely no criticism of the US military is to be made unless one has photographic or documentary proof that the offense occurred.

However, the same standard does not apply to Eason Jordan --- anecdotal evidence is all that is required for a full bore wingnut witch hunt to be initiated.

I personally consider journalists who are covering what the US is doing to Iraq far more corageous than US soldiers---and what those journalists are doing is far more valuable.

This issue is NOT right vs. left, not is it a "witch hunt" or a "lynch mob". First, many of the critics ARE on the left, e.g. Jeff Jarvis and Roger L. Simon.

anyone who thinks that Jarvis and Simon are "on the left" when it comes to the US invasion and occupation of Iraq has been drinking far too much of the Kool Aid....

Only a completely moronic wingnut would ever make such a statement.

NTodd

The Left has wanted the US to lose in Iraq, has essentially been rooting for death squads to kill more, so as to "prove" that their own immoral opposition to booting Saddam was "correct".

Bzzz! Thank you for playing. Your parting gift: my everlasting scorn and derision.

The Left has wanted the US to do what is correct, moral and legal. You can quibble with us on the details and what "winning" means, but fie on your baseless accusations that we want to lose. Unlike the President, who smirks as he claims to mourn the dead, we truly do lament the death and destruction. And not just at the loss of Americans, but the British, Iraqi, and each of the tens of thousands of lives that have been extinguished in a war based on trumped up "evidence".

It's just incredible that you folks aren't up in arms about a fake reporter spreading agit-prop and receiving leaked intelligence memos. Seems that's more designed to ensure we lose--in fact, it indicates we've already lost. We've lost connection to our ideals of a truly free press, adherence to the rule of law, and being a beacon of democracy and liberty in our own right.

Thersites

Sounds like the mainstream media need to stop paying so much attention to the lunatic goon squad that is the right wing blogosphere. There are problems with the boradcast and print media, but they are not of the sort that can be addressed by talking to people who want you up against the wall and scalped. Good luck with that, though...

RonH

I think Eason Jordan resigned because he knew that if the Davos tape came out it would make the situation worse, not better.

I'll bet Nixon felt the same way about his tapes.

SDN

"A lot of righteous indignation against ONE Eason Jordan but none for a lot of dead journalists (collateral, targeted or otherwise). They shouldn't be D-E-A-D. Are we missing something here?"

Nathaniel, are you missing the term "reasonable risk" from your vocabulary? My Business Law courses 25 years ago define that as the kinds of risks expected from a given activity. For example, if you climb mountains, it's a reasonable risk that you might fall. Go on safari, and it's a reasonable risk that something with big sharp teeth might catch up with your baby-pink butt. "Some days you eat the bear, and some days the bear eats you."

Similarly, Ernie Pyle took the chance that he'd get shot. He was just another guy in fatigues and a steel helmet. "It's not the bullet with your name on it; it's the bullets (artillery shells, tank rounds, etc.) addressed to Occupant." One of the examples cited involves a cameraman (in the same sort of garb the "insurgents" wear) pointing a shoulder cam (which at 100 yards or better looks like an RPG or anti-tanke round) in the direction of an American unit that was being attacked AT THAT TIME by RPG fire. It's regrettable, but it lacks the requisite intent to be a crime.

If either you or Mr. Jordan has any evidence backed up by anything other than faith, produce it. The military will thank you for it. One of the overlooked points about Abu Ghraib is that the press picked up on this story ONLY because they read the investigation report of the ARMY.

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