Really good point

Keith Jenkins of Good Reputation Sleeping makes a really good point in reaction to my post from yesterday:

My fear is that the overwelmingly white and male American blogosphere, hell bent (in some quarters) on replacing the current ranks of professional journalists with themselves, will return us to a day where the dialogue about issues was a predominantly white-only one.

So how do we get more diverse voices into the blogosphere?  I'd like to hear more suggestions from non-white as well as non-American bloggers.

Comments

[Alison]

Hey Rebecca - you may be white but you're not male are you? Let's hear from you the non-male.

Also - I would argue that the problem with old MSM was (largely) regional: ABC CBS NBC were all headquartered in the northeast, NYC to be exact. That's where the "elite" charge gained traction.

And where is this conference being held? Is this one at Harvard?

Race and region both need to be represented IMO.

[Jeneane]

I would advise some of the power bloggers and bloggars (that's my male/female blogger distinction this week) to perhaps read some more diverse blogs and maybe even (gasp) add some to their blogrolls. Gasp.

They'll be discussing some of this at SXSW.

http://allied.blogspot.com/2005/03/if-youre-there-you-better-be-there.html

[Martine]

I am white, female, non-American and non-anglophone (French Canadian). I write a bilingual blog, alternating between posts in French and in English (I do not translate my posts).

I have a decent size readership for a bilingual blog but I am sure that the fact that I do not blog entirely in English "hurts" my stats. I have made the conscious choice to write in two languages because I hope for more diversity on the Web. Still, just about every blogging contest or other kind of Web awards I see - which are mostly silly but can sometimes increase traffic to a blog - are geared towards blogs posted in English. The non-English blogs are all piled up into a single "non-English" category, regardless of their subject matter.

I know that I am read by non-French speakers because they leave comments on my blog, even when I post in French. They are mostly from Canada, Europe or Latin America. Seems like it's mostly Americans who resist the use of translation tools and turn around when they find a blog that's not written in English only.

Perhaps better translation tools will eventually help out non-English bloggers to get more attention?

[Halley]

Hey, Rebecca = I'm so glad you mentioned this in the conference and I threw down the gauntlet to some of the bloggers right there in the room -- Jay Rosen, Jeff Jarvis, David Weinberger, Susan Mernit, you, me -- that we should have a race to see who can promote, teach, sign up, blogroll TEN NEW BLOGGERS WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH who are not white and not male.

I'll blog about this. Jeneane you're RIGHT ON about the BLOGGING WHILE BLACK conf at SXSW next weekend. I won't miss it.

BTW, there are two conferences next week -- O'Reilly's Etech and SXSW -- and may I say I think O'Reilly's list of speakers -- notice on their homepage -- 20 men 1 woman -- is representative of the population on some planet -- not EARTH of course -- but perhaps MARS. Go to SXSW -- a much more diverse group.

[Brad Lena]

Here is my two cents worth regarding blog diversity. (First a disclaimer, I’m a white male.) This is a non-issue. As of now, there is damn little preventing anybody from starting a blog. The barriers, however that is defined, regarding cost, access to technology, gender,race, intellect, sexual orientation, physical impairments have plummeted. All you need is a computer, access to the Internet and motivation. The software is free for crying out load! Starting a blog is probably the ultimate exercise in egalitarianism. Getting noticed and developing a readership is another matter. What’s next, an affirmative action program for wanna be bloggers of color? Sarcasm aside, this debate reeks of naval gazing. Perhaps focusing an the rise of blogging as a global multicultural phenomenon might be more fruitful otherwise the next issue will be something like what are we going to do about the preponderance of Chinese bloggers in China?

[Keith Jenkins]

Brad, the concept of reducing this to an affirmative action argument misses the point. In the first place, getting a computer and internet access is still a huge barrier for the majority of the world's population, including a significant number of people in the so-called developed world.

Just as generations ago only a relative handful of people had access to printing presses, so too today, the internet community is an elite group of publishers, 'printing' the news from the viewpoint of those wealthy enough, educated enough, and fortunate enough to live somewhere that can connect to the internet.

But like the printing press, the internet's distribution far exceeds its boundaries. Even if you can not get online, the influence of those who can is already effecting how you live, who governs you, and what things are being discussed in boardrooms, military barracks, and halls of government around the world. Those discussions, influenced by the connected, lead to decisions that effect connected and unconnected alike.

The point of diversity, whether in a newsroom, the blogging community, or at conferences where the attendees are discussing issues aimed at shaping the future of developing technologies and ideas, is not just to have people of diverse genders, colors and backgrounds sitting in the same room. It is to take those issues and problems under discussion and filter them through prisms other than our own, in order to find alternative and perhaps better ways to solve them.

Growing up in rural China or inner city America are two very different experiences from growing up in the Hollywood hills or on New York's Long Island. Naval gazing only occurs when we refuse to view these experiences as being anything different from our own and therefore incapable of adding anything to the various discussions underway.

Maybe this will become a moot point when we have truly universal computer access and translation software that can keep up with the thousands of languages spoken in the world. Until then, however, those of us fortunate enough to be connected to this global network should do what we can to be mindful of the experiences, knowledge and cultures of those who are not.

[Troy Worman]

I used to think people chose journalism as a profession, because they wanted to write. Over the years, this belief has been debunked. Some do. Many do not. Many, as Weinberger writes, chose their profession out of a commitment to their ideals. Some are closer to mine than others. Regardless, I respect the commitment and I agree with Weinberger. While many of us will enhance our view of the world with personal accounts gleaned from the blogosphere, for the foreseeable future, the journalists will shape how the masses learn about our world.

[tiffany]

i agree with keith on this one. the problem is less with who's blogging than the fact that mainstream media is listening to bloggers too much.

i suspect mainstream journalists follow blogs that reflect their interests. so when they allow these interests to shape who and what they cover, the agenda has been shifted.

the blogosphere greatly distorts perception. mention "blog" to most people, and you'll be greeted with a puzzled look. we're still only a couple percent of internet users. so it seems that bloggers have disproportionate influence on who and what gets discussed.

in the case of political blogs, that has very real implications for agenda and policy-setting.

[Brad Lena]

Keith,

I appreciate the sincerity of your comments; I do not find them applicable. I’m not “reducing this to an affirmative action argument” but I think others may wish to. The fact that Internet access is not universal to everyone is not the issue at hand. The majority of the people on earth do not have access to clean drinking water let alone the Internet. Clearly there are more pressing issues than Internet access. If one considers, however, the unprecedented velocity in which the Internet, as a channel for information, commerce and communication, is altering the dynamic of human interaction, there is room for optimism.

Let’s look at one part of, as you say, “the so called developed world.” 204.3 million Americans have Internet access from their homes. That’s 204.3 million potential blogs. The ethnic and demographic barriers to Internet access have fallen dramatically in the last decade. As a tool of commerce, new users, in 2000 took an average of 18 months before purchasing online. That interval has disappeared; economic transactions take place literally the day access begins. Furthermore, new users jump right away into the news, information, educational and job related page views. The issue may be why aren’t more of those 204.3 million Americans starting blogs? They could start them. Perhaps they don’t know how, but it’s getting easier all the time. Perhaps they don’t want to, that’s their prerogative. India, China, the statistics speak for themselves, are getting more plugged in all the time and in fact Asia leads the US in broadband access.

Internet access can be restricted or denied for a variety of reasons. You say technology and cost is a huge barrier. I would say that political, social and religious constraints cannot be discarded when considering this issue. Take the petroleum based regimes of the Middle East, plenty of wealth there. The people of the Middle East have been denied access, for the time being, by their rulers and their culture for political and religious reasons.

Your analogy regarding access to a printing press is misplaced. I’ll skip over the impact of moveable type, the rise of itinerant print providers in Europe during the 1500’s and the effect of the printed pamphlet on the issues of that era and I’ll ignore the proliferation of pamphlets during the founding of America, and just note that the desktop printer is widely available, at bargain prices. In fact, let’s look at print and the explosion of self-publishing. The number of new book titles, in the USA, jumped from about 50,000 titles in 1985 to just fewer than 100,000 in 1990, to 150,000 titles in 2002, to 175,000 titles in 2003, and then to about 200,000 titles in 2004. At the same time, the number of publishers jumped to more than 78,000 from well under half that in 1985. Sounds like a whole lot of diversity is going on in print publishing.

Can the same be said for the Internet? I believe it can. If as some say, blogging suffers from a preponderance of the dreaded white male, it is simply because they were early adopters whose statistical predominance will fade. The ominous allusion to a cabal of influential people making “decisions that effect the connected and unconnected alike.” ignores that fact that there has always been a cabal of influential people making decisions that effect the connected and unconnected.But things have changed. The Orange Revolution in the Ukraine was blogged by Ukrainians. I think the Ukrainian bloggers were Caucasian, should we be concerned? The world is more interconnected than it has ever been, period. Access to views other than one’s own, have never been more plentiful, period. More people have the opportunity and the ability to reach out to the world than ever before. That’s not too bad for an imperfect world. I may be mistaken, but wasn’t it a group comprised mostly of white males, working with the military and the government that created what became the Internet. Boy, they sure let that cat out of the bag on that one.

[Keith Jenkins]

Brad,
I guess I am confused as to why you seem to equate raw numbers with diversity? The two rarely match up as you seem to imply.

Again, we are not talking about just counting heads, its about factoring in experiences. We are also not 'dissing the white man'; we are saying that it is important to make sure other opinions are brought to the table as well.

Stating that there were 200,000 new titles published in 2004 is not the same as saying that they represent 200,000 different experiences or points of view. How many were published by women? How many by people with disabilities, how many by people of color? What might we learn from one of those authors that we could not even imagine given our own set of experiences?

My point, and I think the point of some of the others in this discussion, is that it's our responsibility, as privileged members of society, to find these things out and then to seek out those whose voices are not part of mix. It is a viewpoint that doesn't say 'I have mine, you can get yours too', but rather, 'I have mine, let me work with you to get yours and perhaps together they can be better still'.

Again, this is not about giving everyone an internet connection and saying 'job done'. Access to blogging tools is not the issue, access to information is. 200,000 titles produced by a limited set of voices, produces a limited amount of information; 500,000 titles would do the same. The question is, are we doing the best we can to produce the best, most useful amount of information possible.

In Europe, the power of the printing press can be seen in the 18th century as well. During the French Revolution, as publishers like Jean-Paul Marat increased their power, they began to limit dissent. They published alot, unfortunately it was all from their own point of view - and anyone opposed to it quickly became fodder for Marat's loyal, well informed readers. Publishing yes, diversity of opinion, no.

So again we return to the basic point, are the bloggers who feel they are ready to step into the breach and replace MSM offering up something better, or just repeating past mistakes? History, unfortunately, is full of examples where hoping for a good outcome, based on 'the numbers', was simply not enough.

Today, as this medium is beginning to take shape, we have an opportunity to affirmatively move it in a better direction. That direction must include all people in order to be true to the potential of the internet, the world wide web and what ever is to come. Replacing one limited set of ruling voices with another only succeeds in carrying forward the mistakes of one era into the next. Using our positions to give voice to the voiceless, however, upholds the best tradition of what being a journalist and a citizen, of any era, is all about.

[Roland Tanglao]

Hi all:

The blogosphere is already very diverse but the diversity needs to be nurtured and needs to be pointed out.

It doesn't seem diverse because a lot of people for whatever reason (and no, I don't think it's racism or any other "ism", it's just a case of linking to who is easy to find and who you know) seem to link to only white men.

[E. S.]

(Warning: full of strawmen and strong opinion)

I find this rather condescending, actually.

Often "encouraging diversity" turns into this idea that we, the white/northeast/male/whatever elite, need to help our less represented ("less fortunate") brothers and sisters along. This, of course, is because they can't do it themselves -- and we need the entertainment of their "diverse" views (only to ignore them or attempt to speak for them at the end of the day).

Illiterate people will never be writing for or reading a newspaper. And they may hold very interesting opinions. They and those without a computer will never be writing blogs, and you will never hear from them at all. Oh well. You loose a little entertainment after you return from your well paying job and sit behind your bespoke computer...

If blogs do become critically important (this is not a foregone conclusion, btw) to one's daily life, people who need their opinions known will gain the ability to make their opinions known and start them. And you bet they will make damn sure that they are heard in the blogosphere. If they don't it really is their loss, and not anyone's responsibility but their own.

They do not need the "help" of conferences at Harvard held by mostly upper middleclass academics. The academics are so detached that they try and showhorn preexisting real diversity into their plastic playland blogosphere for their entertainment. They do not really seek out diverse opinions for someone else's sake, they want them for their edutainment needs.

Consider how the desire for diverse voices changes as you run the scale from well-to-do black feminist author to poor white rural KKK member. You have a right to not assign equal weight to these outlying opinions. THis is completely valid -- everyone does this. The point is that you cannot mask this desire to hear opinions from people you want to hear from behind "diversity", because it isn't.

[Karen]

there's also the issue of age diversity.

There are a lot of 15-22 year olds on the Internet, who have blogs, but how many of them do any of you read?

I'm guessing not very many. Is that because they don't have anything valuable to add or simply nothing to say that interests you? This is likely true in many cases, but not all. Most in this younger age range were not early adopters, so are not very established. But people in this age range represent Generation Y, the Echo Boom, whatever you want to call it, and are increasingly becoming a major force in the economy. So maybe more people should care about what they have to say.

[CJ]

On the Internet, as the saying goes, nobody knows you're a dog.

Why does skin color matter in terms of blogging? Either you've got a perspective & style of writing that attracts readers, or you don't.

To assume that a black woman who lives in the suburbs of an American city has more need to be heard than a white farmer in Zimbabwe is absurd, bordering on racist.

[gamlyn]

I haven't seen the demographics on who is in the blogosphere but I think there is diversity already.

The cross-section you perceive probably depends on what info you are blogging for. I'm interested in the unfolding events in Nepal right now, for instance, and I'm not seeing blog entries from many white male Americans on the subject.

[Rich...!]

I'm with Roland. The blogs are out there. However the old adage "birds of a feather, stick together" applies.

Want to learn about South Africa? Feel free to read our local blog:
http://www.joblog.co.za

There are blogs on every topic, by every group, however blogrolling tends to make this all circular. It's community driven, there are a few blogs that seem to defy this, but the rest of us are in a link loop. If you want to appeal to more people, start linking to blogs you've never seen before...!

[Walks_with_chairs]

I am not exactly sure what you all speak of, but it does sound interesting and I would love to read some more about this information if anyone might have some good links to any pages, or some good refrences to any books or other kinds of information sources, thank you.

[BobbyMasteria]

I think the Blogosphere is diversified but we don't see it because of 1) the languages and 2) the topics.
For example, most English metablogs are written by white males.
But I assure you that those English metablogs have their equivalents in Japanese - for example.
We also got to remember that blogging first massively started in the USA.
However and for your information, there are 30 millions of Chinese blogs out there (yes you read me right).

[syntax_L]

Is this an issue of diversity, or delivery & desire. I would suspect that much of what is being done on the net misses the mark. Most computer users, regardless of ethnic background, see their computers as utilitarian machines. The computer's tasks are to complete school or work projects, deliver the email (due to spam this task maybe replaced by phones that text message), download music, and organize family photos, search for ways to repair their PC, and research topics of interest. The gaming consoles are are giving desktops a run for their position in the gaming world.

My point being that most consumers want the computer to be an appliance that does the job that they need it to do. Most most of the mainstream still watch the news, read magazines & the newspapers. The political points of view are determined by family, friends, work, and the institutions they associate with. I'm not certain that many have the desire to do the work required to click on a blogger's link (that may not interest them) let alone explore RSS or XML to get it delivered to them. Not to mention that many who work in front of a monitor all day may not want to rush home and sit even longer in front of another computer to read a some blogger's musings. To sum up this point; the digirati and the media are locked in an onerous relationship that holds little meaning to mainstream America.

I believe that in order for blogging to have wide impact it will have to be delivered in a format that bridges the digital divide, as well as the diversity divide. When Churches, PTA's, employers, the Kid's Soccer League, and school sports teams start blogging and PODCASTING required information the mainstream, and diverse groups will rally to media. A required caveat is that car radios will need to accept some sort of flash media card so that the podcast can be heard on the way to work, or that the podcast can be downloaded to the cell phone.

[Duncan]

Rebecca
Roland has hit it straight on the head, there is diversity there, its just not highly mentioned or featured amongst the "A" list bloggers, and I think for two reasons, one, the A list consists nearly entirely of middle aged white men based in the United States, with the occasional female blogger thrown in for good measure, but usually only on the basis that the female blogger is normally very close to the white men, and secondly, even amongst the "A" list, there is a cultural divide based on geography which, without wanting to sound like American bashing (really, Im pro US on a lot of things), is not untypical of many Americans, with the upmost belief that the USA is the centre of the universe and the only thing in it worthy of thinking about.

Go to the "B" list and look at the difference in geographic diversity amongst the English speaking blogs. Personally I've had discussions and dealings with any number of Canadians or English people and I live in Western Australia, and link to a variety of them. Compare the geographic diversity of a blogroll of a any number of Canadian bloggers, or even my own humble Blog Herald, to that of the average "A" list US based white male blogger.

Yes, I'm generalising a little, but I think you're own support for encouraging diversity in the blogosphere is more of an indication of your own insular American viewpoint of the internet and, for that matter the world, than any reflection of the state of diversity in the blogsphere today.

[Brad Lena]

Keith,

I have an appreciation for raw numbers as they represent falling barriers to global communication spread among an ever increasing percentage of humanity. By any objective historical measurement, the Internet, digital printing and a whole host of communication technologies have given more voice to more people than ever before in an incredibly short time span. This is undeniable and I find it encouraging. Apparently you have serious reservations about the trajectory of access and participation. I refuse to claim the mantle of the arbitrator of the pace of diversity in regards to this unprecedented phenomenon. Regarding the explosion in published titles you say “200,000 titles produced by a limited set of voices, produces a limited amount of information; 500,000 titles would do the same.” This comment is not supported by the evidence. The publishing world, magazine and books, is fragmenting into a myriad of constituencies covering an ever increasing spectrum of topics, opinion and points of view. Let’s not even consider the enormous quantity of research papers posted on the web by scholars. You’re also concerned as to “How many were published by women? How many by people with disabilities, how many by people of color? What might we learn from one of those authors that we could not even imagine given our own set of experiences?“ The question may be, given the current opportunity, why aren’t women, the disabled and people of color motivated to participate and are they restrained/constrained externally or internally? If you’re currently suffering from diversity deprivation, and if you’re old enough, you must have been absolutely apoplectic when it was just ABC, CBS and NBC. I for one get nervous when privileged elites believe they have the “opportunity to affirmatively move it in a better direction.”

[Keith Jenkins]

Ah Brad, maybe a point of agreement!

" I for one get nervous when privileged elites believe they have the “opportunity to affirmatively move it in a better direction.” "

That is exactly how this thread got started; with my questioning why a group of what you would describe as 'privileged elites', were getting together at conference after conference to discuss the evolving roles of blogging and journalism on the internet, and almost all the participants were white, male and American.

Some, like Rebecca, have taken that question to heart and begun looking for ways to expand these types of discussions so that they don't remain 'elite'.

Given what you and others have said about there already being opportunities for everyone to participate, you are right to wonder "why aren’t women, the disabled and people of color motivated to participate and are they restrained/constrained externally or internally?"

I would argue that diversity is not just about women, people of color, and the disabled; but figuring out this 'participation thing' is what this discussion is about.

[Mama JunkYard]

In response to this question:

So how do we get more diverse voices into the blogosphere?

I don't think it is the absence of diverse voices that is an issue, it is the fact that some people feel that we are invisible.

The Kenyan Blogs Web Ring is an example of some of the diverse voices that exist in the blogsphere.

In the same way that I managed to find this blog, people who really seek diversity can do so by searching either on google, ringsurf or even following links.

Just becasue people don't know/don't care we exist doesn't mean that we don't exist