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September 19, 2005

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» Yahoo vs. Google: Who's the Chinese government's very best buddy? from Joho the Blog
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» Yahoo vs. Google: Who's the Chinese government's very best buddy? from Joho the Blog
Rebecca Mackinnon has the goods on Yahoo. By going through proxies, she's discovered that Yahoo, unlike Google, actively censors results. For example, if you search for "Tiananmen massacre" (in Chinese) with either Yahoo or Google within China, you get... [Read More]

» Yahoo vs. Google: Who's the Chinese government's very best buddy? from Joho the Blog
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» Yahoo & China from Emergent Chaos
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» China, Yahoo and AOL from The Asianist
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Comments

Kyle Hasselbacher

I like this experiment, but I don't think it shows what you think it does. If you go to google.com from a Chinese IP address, you get Google in Chinese. (I use a proxy that causes my requests to come from all over the world, and I routinely see Google in a language I don't understand.) Google can show you a different front page based on your IP address; I think they can show you different search results based on your IP address.

I think the difference that you've found is that Yahoo! thinks that a request for search results in the Chinese language implies that the searcher is in China regardless of the IP address. Google relies on the IP address to tell whether to block something regardless of what language the user has chosen. What happens if you search on English language Google from an IP address in China? Maybe I'll try this later today.

zhwj

Interesting. My results are slightly different from yours.

Accessing cn.yahoo.com from Beijing and searching for that phrase gives me a Yahoo page that reports no results found, and recommends retooling my search terms. So it seems to be doing the same thing as your Google example. It's just picking up that exact the phrase, though; reverse the two words and you'll return a set of results that are essentially "healthy" but include several unviewable on the mainland (the suggested alternative search terms are similar - they look really threatening ("bloodbath" and such) but the engine breaks the phrases into constituent words and returns innocuous reslts).

Also, cn.yahoo.com is not only Chinese-language but actually hosted in China (traceroute goes through bjtelecom), so it's still a matter of location rather than language. tw.yahoo.com (accessible via proxy) gives a full set of results, but hk.yahoo.com throws an error at that search term, proxy or not.

I'm not particularly clear on what you mean by "actively filtering" - if Google shows fewer results results for a search than it actually has indexed, isn't that as much "actively filtering" as if it simply tossed up a "page cannot be displayed" message, as you suggest Yahoo does in your first example, when it encountered sensitive terms/results (I believe that it's the ISP doing the filtering in that example, though)?

[More info: searching for the term via Google gives the same results directly as via proxy; only if I search directly the page gets sent a "connection reset by peer" as soon as it loads. I get blocked with no proxy when I attempt the news search.]

--Joel

Nart

In many locations China's gateway filtering is bi-directional. In the case of Yahoo!, the search server (cn.yahoo.com successfully redirects to cn.websearch.yahoo.com) is located in China. Your request to the search server is being filtering by China's "firewall" -- not by Yahoo!. It is likely that a portion of the URL is filtered by China. (For example, try to access http://www.baidu.com/nothingtoseehere/ you will be redirected to http://www.baidu.com/search/error.html a standard error page. Now try appending the offending URL path from Yahoo! to Baidu -- http://www.baidu.com/search/web_cn?ei=gb&stype=&p=%CC%EC%B0%B2%C3%C5%CD%C0%C9%B1&scch=on

It should generate the same error page.)

Same goes for the proxy. The requested URL is sent from your browser to the proxy in plain text through the "firewall", given the description of access from Beijing in the coments above, that is the spot where its filtered.

Proxy servers in China are good for determining if content is acessible, but will return inconclusive results when checking to see if content is blocked. There are two many points of filtering and failure between you and the proxy and the proxy and the requested content.

I think that what's been shown above is China's "firewall" interfering with requests for Yahoo!. (Yahoo does filter in another way though, see below.)

However, your Google example is actually much better. If no results are being returned, but the connection is not blocked then that is Google filtering the results. Google has admitted to removing results from urls blocked in China and the search for the term above yeilds epochtimes and peacehall bothe of which are blocked by China and removed from Google's Chinese New site for user in China (by geolocation).

I've shown something similar with Yahoo! here:http://ice.citizenlab.org/?p=67

The other thing to watch is that the keyword in URL filtering by China is not 100% accurate, sometimes requests will go through.

Also, the inability to access the proxy is a by product of China's filtering emchanism, explained here (http://ice.citizenlab.org/?p=113) -- the same behaviour can occur bi-directionally in most cases.

Uncover China

But not much can be done about it really. If they go against the law then problems will occur. Best to follow their instructions for now..

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