« Papa Gets Hitched! | Main | Why Microsoft censorship in China matters to everybody »

January 04, 2006

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341c609853ef00d8345b02eb69e2

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Microsoft takes down Chinese blogger:

» Shame on you, Bill Gates! from La Shawn Barber's Corner
What does the head-geek-in-charge think hes doing? Censoring Chinese bloggers just like communist China does? What does on here? Microsoft’s MSN Spaces is censoring bloggers. American blogger Rebecca McKinnon has the scoop: On December 16t... [Read More]

» Bill Gates Really Is a Force For Evil from JunkYardBlog
His MSN Spaces minions are doing the ChiComs work for them. (via InstaPundit)... [Read More]

» Earning their rep from HiWired Blog
You know it is one thing when a Communist Government decides to practice censorship of a blog. It's quite another thing when Microsoft decides to do it for them: Now, It is VERY important to note that the inaccessible blog... [Read More]

» A rum do from Rafael Behr
Microsoft, nervous that their reputation among bloggers as a merciless corporate steamroller of humanity might be slipping, take action. [Read More]

» Microsoft hjälper kinesiska regimen censurera bloggar from mymarkup.net
Microsofts hantering av innehållet på sina bloggar under MSN Spaces-tjänsten i Kina är inte särskilt smickrande. Vid nyårsskiftet verkar det... [Read More]

» More MSN Blog Censorship from The Argument Clinic
MSN has shut down another Chinese blogger, apparently as the result of pressure from a Chinese blogging company... [Read More]

» Gates, the Geek Goombah from Democracy Project
A lengthy Washington Post analysis of the domestic competition faced by Microsoft shows Bill Gates’ Microsoft “financial growth is slowing…and its stock has been flat for five years.” Microsoft’s thuggish competitive ways are less effective than before... [Read More]

» Rebecca McKinnon is following from mikel.org | Michael Boyle's weblog
a story in which it seems that RConversation: Microsoft has taken down Chinese blogger's site. Note that the suggestion is that MSN has done this, for everyone, not that the Chinese government has done this. Definitely a story to continue follow very c... [Read More]

» Rebecca McKinnon is following from mikel.org | Michael Boyle's weblog
a story in which it seems that Microsoft's MSN service has taken down Chinese blogger's site. Note that the suggestion is that MSN has done this, not that the Chinese government is responsible. Definitely a story to continue follow very closely.... [Read More]

» Forbidden Language from Threatchaos.com
I have blogged before about the immoral actions of Yahoo!, Google, and Microsoft in their drooling effort to capture the Chinese market. I am torn in the same way I am sure upper management at these Internet behemoths are. On... [Read More]

» Forbidden Language from Threatchaos.com
I have blogged before about the immoral actions of Yahoo!, Google, and Microsoft in their drooling effort to capture the Chinese market. I am torn in the same way I am sure upper management at these Internet behemoths are. On... [Read More]

» MSN Censors Chinese Bloggers from Plead the First
MSN Spaces, Microsofts blogging service, has been helping the Chinese government suppress dissenting voices by monitoring and censoring Chinese blogs that use the MSN service. According to Rebecca MacKinnon, theyre getting more aggressiv... [Read More]

» MSN Spaces from NEOFLUX | Propaganda You Can Trust
What the hell is Microsoft doing censoring blogs and blog posts on behalf of the Chinese government. If you currently have a blog with MSN Spaces, I'd highly encourage you to move it somewhere else - there's no reason Microsoft... [Read More]

» Microsoft hjälper kinesiska regimen censurera bloggar from mymarkup.net
Microsofts hantering av innehållet på sina bloggar under MSN Spaces-tjänsten i Kina är inte särskilt smickrande. Vid nyårsskiftet verkar det... [Read More]

» MSN Spaces Removes Chinese Bloggers Blog from An MCSD from Wisconsin
[Read More]

» Meanwhile, back in Redmond . . . from Classical Values
What does the head-geek-in-charge think he’s doing? Censoring Chinese bloggers just like communist China does? What goes on here? So asks La Shawn Barber. Both La Shawn and Glenn Reynolds link to Rebecca MacKinnon, who's got the damning goods on... [Read More]

» Meanwhile, back in Redmond . . . from Classical Values
What does the head-geek-in-charge think he’s doing? Censoring Chinese bloggers just like communist China does? What goes on here? So asks La Shawn Barber. Both La Shawn and Glenn Reynolds link to Rebecca MacKinnon, who's got the damning goods on... [Read More]

» Meanwhile, back in Redmond . . . from Classical Values
What does the head-geek-in-charge think he’s doing? Censoring Chinese bloggers just like communist China does? What goes on here? So asks La Shawn Barber. Both La Shawn and Glenn Reynolds link to Rebecca MacKinnon, who's got the damning goods on... [Read More]

» Is Microsoft against freedom of speech? from Karel Donk
I noticed over at Scobles blog that MSN has blocked access to the blog of a chinese guy. The details about this have been posted here. This is going to cause some issues for Microsoft. As a company obviously Microsoft wants to do business in Chi... [Read More]

» Blogero chino censurado por MSN Spaces from Ondas, cables, luces, cacharritos y cachivaches
Robert Scoble ha escrito un post muy, muy serio sobre la censura que al parecer ha sufrido un blogero chino por parte de MSN. Según un artículo de la periodista Rebecca MacKinnon en su blog, MSN Spaces cerró el popular blog de Zhao Jing, tambien con... [Read More]

» Scoble Challenges Microsoft Again on Chinese Blogger Censorship from B.L. Ochman's weblog - Internet and corporate blogging strategy, and online marketing trends, with news and commentary
Microsoft uber-blogger Robert Scoble is taking the controversial (perhaps to his job) position that Microsoft is wrong to take down Chinese blogger Zhao Jing, aka Michael Anti. That takes balls. Former CNN anchor-turned-blogger Rebecca MacKinnon report... [Read More]

» MSN China blogger smackdown: their country, their ballgame from Things That ... Make You Go Hmm
Just yesterday I was writing about China and their actions against adult websites, cell phone text messaging and blogging. Today, one of the stories is about Chinese blogger, Zhao Jink AKA Michael Anti having his MSN Spaces China blog removed. What so... [Read More]

» MacKinnon: Microsoft, not the CCP, took down Anti's Blog from The Peking Duck
What an amazing post. Go right now and read the whole thing. So much incriminating evidence of Microsoft's sucking up to the censors! Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues to censor its Chinese language blogs, and has become more aggressive and thorough... [Read More]

» MacKinnon: Microsoft, not the CCP, took down Anti's Blog from The Peking Duck
What an amazing post. Go right now and read the whole thing. So much incriminating evidence of Microsoft's sucking up to the censors! Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues to censor its Chinese language blogs, and has become more aggressive and thorough... [Read More]

» When the Internet Is Less Free Than We Think from Wendy's Blog: Legal Tags
We in the U.S. like to see the Internet as a space of unparalleled freedom -- A space where every speaker has his or her soapbox and can reach out to new audiences, erasing boundaries of distance. Two items from Berkmanspace today remind me of the limi... [Read More]

» microsoft vs anti from asiapundit
As noted here earlier, MSN has taken down Michael Anti's blog. Rebecca McKinnon, in a now widely linked post, has a more detailed look at what Microsoft and other blog-service providers are doing in China.: Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues [Read More]

» Bill censors a Chinese blogger from mathewingram.com/work
Blogging is more than just something that geeks with a lot of time on their hands do for fun. In countries like China, blogs are one of the few ways dissidents can try to exercise a little freedom of speech something we in the West take for gr... [Read More]

» MSN censura y retira el blog de un disidente chino from Merodeando por la enredadera
Rebecca MacKinnon cuenta que MSN Spaces en China ha dado un paso más y ahora parece censurar directamente blogs incómodos para el régimen chino dándolos de baja. Se trata del blog de Zhao Jing, también conocido como M... [Read More]

» Micro$oft Bans Chinese Blogger from blog.jeffbrock.org
Microsoft = Google = whatever the mighty buck dictates, do it. Forget about freedom of press, speech and all those little things us folks in this country take for granted. Microsoft has joined Google in acting as a Chinese government agent, by pull... [Read More]

» Microsoft Takes Down Chinese Blogger from Zmetro.com
Rebecca McKinnon:Microsofts MSN Spaces continues to censor its Chinese language blogs, and has become more aggressive and thorough at censorship since I first checked out MSNs censorship system last summer. On New Years Eve, MSN Spa... [Read More]

» Microsoft Removes Chinese Blog from The New Journalism
Rebecca MacKinnon writes: Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues to censor its Chinese language blogs, and has become more aggressive and thorough at censorship since I first checked out MSN’s censorship system last summer. On New Years Eve, MSN Space... [Read More]

» Time for a High-Tech Wall of Shame for the Chinese Police-State Enablers from BizzyBlog.com
Yahoo!s proactive assistance given to the Chinese government in capturing and imprisoning a dissident journalist is the most egregious example of a US-based company cooperating with the friendly-faced police state based in Beijing, and gave ris... [Read More]

» Microsoft silences Chinese Blogger from thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com
Microsoft moves forward to shutdown "free speech" in China without pressure from the Chinese government.... [Read More]

» China Followup from thehardtruth.net
Interesting note on MSN now censoring Chinese truthteller. I have a problem with any Government actively involved with censoring dissent. But when US based companies capitulate to the whims of a foreign power, I get concerned. Not to mention the ac... [Read More]

» New Microsoft deals in China from Microsoft News Tracker
Of course, there’s always another side to the ledger in dealing with the Chinese government. Rebecca Mackinnon, a Research Fellow at the Havard Law School’s Berkman Center for Internet and Society, reports that Microsoft’s MSN apparently took do... [Read More]

» Anti恢复Blog from CNBlog: Blog on Blog
Anti在MSN Space上的Blog被微软删除了,他将继续在Blog-City上恢复写作,你可以继续用RSS和Email订阅他,下面转自他的最新一篇帖子: 2006年我会重新出发,恢复http://anti.blog-city.com的博客更新,国内朋友可以用Rss软件订阅:http://feeds.feedburner.com/blog-city/anti,或者直接发邮件给antisblog@gmail.com订阅 这一次Robert Scoble学了个乖,对此表示反对,并将会就此事询问微软相... [Read More]

» Microsoft accused of censoring blogs in China from CSR Asia - Corporate Social Responsibility in Asia
Rebecca MacKinnon has a long posting on Microsoft's censorship of blogs in China. Amongst a number of accusations, she claims that recent actions prove that Microsoft itself - and not the Chinese government - is censoring Chinese blogs. If she's righ... [Read More]

» Report: Outspoken Chinese blogger censored by Microsoft from Boing Boing
Rebecca Mackinnon writes: Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues to censor its Chinese language blogs, and has become more aggressive and thorough at censorship since I first checked out MSN’s censorship system last summer. On New Years Eve, MSN Spaces took... [Read More]

» Outspoken Chinese blogger censored by Microsoft from Boing Boing
Rebecca Mackinnon writes: Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues to censor its Chinese language blogs, and has become more aggressive and thorough at censorship since I first checked out MSN’s censorship system last summer. On New Years Eve, MSN Spaces took... [Read More]

» Outspoken Chinese blogger censored by Microsoft from Boing Boing
Rebecca Mackinnon writes: Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues to censor its Chinese language blogs, and has become more aggressive and thorough at censorship since I first checked out MSN’s censorship system last summer. On New Years Eve, MSN Spaces took... [Read More]

» Outspoken Chinese blogger censored by Microsoft from Boing Boing
Rebecca Mackinnon writes: Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues to censor its Chinese language blogs, and has become more aggressive and thorough at censorship since I first checked out MSN’s censorship system last summer. On New Years Eve, MSN Spaces took... [Read More]

» Microsoft partners up with Chinese government to censor blogers from Truth Out Loud
We always new China went to great lengths to block free speech. We just never knew how low free people would sink for a buck.Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues to censor its Chinese language blogs, and has become more aggressive and... [Read More]

» Microsoft censors Chinese blogs from The Gleeson Bloglomerate
Zhao Jing, alias Michael Anti, is a blogger the communist Chinese government would love to silence. But the government doesnt have to silence him; Microsoft is doing it for them! ... [Read More]

» Microsoft Censoring Chinese Bloggers? from hiphopmusic.com
It's always fun to joke about Microsoft being an evil empire, but if this is accurate (check the back and forth on this in Scoble's comments) there's not much funny about it: Microsoft takes down Chinese blogger Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues to cens... [Read More]

» Microsoft Censoring Chinese Bloggers? from hiphopmusic.com
It's always fun to joke about Microsoft being an evil empire, but if this is accurate (check the back and forth on this in Scoble's comments) there's not much funny about it: Microsoft takes down Chinese blogger Microsoft’s MSN Spaces continues to cens... [Read More]

» The Fall Of The Beijing News from Letters from China
The rise of journalistic resistance UPDA [Read More]

» Chinese Censorship from Randomize
[Read More]

» Chinese Censorship from Randomize
[Read More]

» Microsoft kills a Chinese Blog from Conversations with Dina
[Read More]

Comments

Fons

The story on typepad seem to be that the company has changed its IP-address and then by accident unblocked itself. Untill it is over, of course.

Ken

Hey now, go easy. Bill Gates is 1/3 of Time's Person of the Year. No way would a major news organization lionize a filthy communist enabler.

computerjoe

Bit strange. I always considered Microsoft as Nazis, not communists :P. LOL, just kidding!

Tom3

Bill Gates is a Commie Nazi.

Hmmm.

Here's an interesting question;

Does a Chinese blogger, living in China, have American First Amendment freedoms on servers in America?

I.e. are Consitutional Rights applicable based on where the server is? Or the author? Or the reader?

This is a curious thing because I don't believe, though IANAL, that Constitutional Rights are bound by citizenship or nationality as long as location involves US territory.

So.... Is MSN guilty of violating this blogger's First Amendment Constitutional Rights?

PotatoStew

"Is MSN guilty of violating this blogger's First Amendment Constitutional Rights?"

I'm no lawyer either, but I don't think so. MSN is a private company, and it's their software, so they can allow or not allow people to post whatever they see fit.

SoQuickToJudge

what makes people think Bill G knew anything about this before it happened? afterall, ms is a corp giant incapable of accomodating change and the unexpected. surely the layer upon layer of mgmt will take days to get this right. right?

Sarah

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." And so forth.

MSN is a private corporation and incapable of violating anyone's Constitutional right to self-expression (it says "Congress shall not," not "American companies shall not") but it's still despicable and immoral for them to cater to a totalitarian government's demands for aid in subjugating a billion people. This goes to first principles, not legislation -- this is just wrong, and they deserve to be castigated for it.

Markus In Sweden

SHAME ON YOU BILL GATES.

Did Bill just put the first amendment in the trash can?

SHAME
SHAME
SHAME

screwball

Ok, I've been thinking about this kind of problem for a while. The solution is a bit odd, but probably doable.

Make a peer-to-peer serverless blog distribution program. Something like bittorrent but where the seed files could be emailed around and wouldn't have to reside on a server that could be blocked. Further, the seeding files could be updated by the original author (based by say a hash). Should it be done without any attempt at misdirection mapping the thing out would be hard but not impossible. However, should someone paranoid enough write the thing, it might be a little harder (especially if the program evolved on a regular basis).

If enough people would participate, it would be pretty much impossible for the Chinese government to go after them. Worse for the Party, the authors could actually be anonymous.

Jon Garfunkel

screwball-- a "peer-to-peer serverless blog distribution program" is email, which carries a good deal of Chinese samizdat publications.

Rebecca-- excellent, solid investigative research and writing. It is long past due for you to change your motto from "musings and occasional rants" to something more fitting.

A couple of points. I realize that Scoble is the big Blog Man on the Redmond Campus, but wouldn't it be grand if we could gauge the opinion of not just one Microsoftee but across the company at large? Shouldn't that be the next stage of online activism, where company employees can collectively discuss social impact issues without fear of reprisal?

Secondly, there is still the larger problem of "voicing unpopular views" which confronts advocates even in this free speech society. I am curious whether the there are writers of ironic subterfuge in Chinese. Are there Chinese bloggers/journalists who write things like: "Pity the freedom-loving Americans. They have so much speech they are chained to their computers all night trying to figure out fact from fiction. Here we only need to read Xinhua."

Gordon

Rebecca,

As you are probably already aware, Microsoft has been censoring many of it's supported platforms for quite some time now.

Take for instance the popular chat service it offers, MSN Messenger. I am not back in the US and my wife is still awaiting her immigration papers in China. So, we spend quite a bit of time chatting over various instant messenger services, such as MSN Messenger. I first became suspicious of our conversations being censored in late 2003 because during large amounts of the conversation would either be erased before she received them or the messages simply never made it to her at all. However, I was able to copy the text I had just typed and paste it into a chat window from another messenger and she was able to received it with no problem. If I tried repasting it back into MSN, it wouldn't go through the second time either.

Anyway, I was just wondering if you or any of your readers had noticed such censorship on MSN Messenger as well? It's happened to me numerous times. Especially after the SARS outbreak.

If you want to know more, feel free to ask.

Regards!

G.

Robert Scoble

Jon: I wish that were possible, but it's not. I wish I could talk openly about why, but that's not possible either.

We have Chinese employees and taking a harsh stance might endanger them and their livlihoods.

Rebecca MacKinnon

Hey Gordon, thanks for raising that point about messenger filtering. Would love to hear more details about what exactly got censored. Suggestion: next time you have a messenger conversation censored on MSN messenger, and manage to have it successfully on another system, why don't you take screenshots of what happened and then post them on your blog? Nothing like a little visual evidence to get people's attention.

Matt

This has happened to lots of other MSN Spaces blogs that I've seen. Could it be something temporary, as the message on the screen says? I've seen this happen many times before--on English-language blogs written from China, Canada and the US--and the content is usually innocuous. It makes me think that it's just a glitch. How long has the site been down?

Jon Garfunkel

Robert: thanks. I just suppose it would be the natural order of things that organizations will use emergent techniques for collecting opinion. You mean to tell me that there is no way for other Microsoft employees to "co-sign" your letter of inquiry?
Given your 6pm update, people must realize that plain ol' blogging isn't quite the cure-all for PR snafu's.


Rebecca: what about my plan B? I like to read Wei Jingsheng's The Courage to Stand Alone: Letters from Prison and Other writers-- is there a comparable blogger today who is able to write in a way that carefully treads the line?

Bit

Bitacle Blog Search Archive
http://www.bitacle.com/blogs/viewblog/ztgs-gaz0/61

Yoshi

Oh for god sake. Why haven't the scum sucking lawyer come out of the woodwork on this?

We have a clear case of the blog being nuked because of the writers opinions. AND ONLY AGAINST THE CHINEESE The servers are in the USA owned by an American company.

This must be the kind of discrimination suit that no American jury would let stand.

Note to Ambulance chasers: Stop chasing hot coffee and go after this one. MSN has deep pockets... that usually bring you give out in swarms!

Salvor

I listened to your presentation at Les Blogs 2.O and have since then became very interested in citizen journalism. I like to draw your attention to censorship in our western world - inside Myspace, one of the most popular social networks for teenagers. Last week before Christmas Myspace.com censored all mentioning of Youtube.com and all linking to youtube videoclips. See more information on my blog here:

http://samkoma.net/videoblog/?p=17

Myspace also shut down my myspace account for a while, I assume it was because I was critical of the censorship and the blogoshere was starting up heated discussion about this. My account was later reopened. Myspace seem to be eager to destroy all traces of this censorship and evidence that it ever took place. This is very interesting example of how powerful and invisible censorship in our western world can be and how important it is for activism not to be dependent upon the media channels you are targeting. It is not enough to have access to blog, you also have to be able to reach through the mechanism that connects the blog voices. Just image a world where technorati and del.icio.us and digg.com and google are owned by the enemy - your changes of getting message through is very weak.

Oichi Ru

Bah humbug I say !
The blogger deliberately opened an account with Microsoft to get exactly this "MICROSOFT IS CENSORING! !" reaction from the bleeding heart blogosphere.

I am sure some bleeding heart/kind soul/outraged blogocitizen/ping back whore will offer this blogger free hosting.

And I bet you all the tea in China that the blogger will not take up the offer. Why ?

Chrono Cr@cker

Brilliant post, absolutely brilliant. This is going to cause quite an uproar in the Blogosphere!

~ CC

whatever

A lot here have been said about doing business in China must follow the Chinese rules or practices. This certainly has its merit, however this is only the half truth. Why most American companies will not and can not bribe their ways out in China as their Chinese competitors normally do? Because there is something called ‘Foreign Corrupt Practices Act(FCPA)’. The dire financial & reputational consequences of breaching such a US law prevent most Americans from doing under-the-table tricks which are ubiquitous in China. Do American business suffer? I assume so. Why not a lot of people cry for this?

So the question is really at what price the Amercians, especailly the American government, will hold their moral high ground. Comparing with the billions of dollors the Americans (or at least half of the Americans) are willingly to shed to promote democracy in Middle-east, I do believe the financial consequences of Microsoft or Google or whoever who do not comply with Chinese blackmails will be just peanuts.

Certainly, from any single corporation’s point of view, especially for those with big stake in China, loss of revenue there is an immediate pain. This is why I think the American government should step in, establishing something similar to the FCPA, forbiding US companies from assisting foreign governments to curb any democratic initiatives.

Call me a dreamer at your will. As a Chinese who himself shed blood in Tiananmen square in 1989, I know how difficult it is for normal people to stand up and fight within. Anti is a courageous young man, he should be supported at any costs.

PS: Talking about Chinese laws, it is in China’s constitution that people have freedom of speech, freedom of forming parties etc. The only notable lack of freedom from a legal point of view is that Chinese are not allowed to strike, which suits American MNCs handsomely. ANTI is a famous political dissident, however he only performs within Chinese legal frame. If he has ever broken any law, how come is he still at large?

Badabing

I am not a particular Microsoft fan and I respect freedom of speech. But for once, I think all the Microsoft and Bill Gates bashers have gone overboard this time. Why should someone be entitled to exercise his freedom of speech at the expense of a public company? Considering the potential repercussion from the Chinese government, Microsoft is doing the right thing for its shareholders of which Bill Gates happens to be the largest one. It would be a morally honorable thing to do if Microsoft keeps this particular blog online. But it should not be subject to all these criticism because it did otherwise to protect its owners’ interest.

sun bin

hmm. i think my mirrow blog in MSN might have been censored a few times. as it had been 'unavailable' for from a few minutes to about 10 hours in the past.

i am not sure what is better
1. censored in china (msn)
2. whole site blocked (blogger)

but as a business, msn should at least let anti access the data and move it elsewhere, and give hime some warning.

omih

Great post and very very interesting. I have mentioned before that we point the finger at the likes of China over censorship but forget about the more subtle forms being used in the West. Here's an incident that covers both areas and it's a case of "First they came for the...and I did nothing". Nothing happens over this and net censorship will become more widespread.

Here in Vietnam, all things blog related are rather haphazard. Blocked on some servers and not others - my general impression is that its actually the net providers rather than the Government who are doing the censorship.

I think it may be a case of pleasing their master and blocking just to make sure.

The MSN situation deserves to make massive news in the West. If it doesn't then the the subtle censorship I mentioned earlier is already taking place.

Surely, as someone earlier suggested "Gates works with Commies" is too intriguing a news story to go unnoticed. Isn't it?

The comments to this entry are closed.

About

AddThis Feed Button

Global Voices


  • Global Voices Online - The world is talking. Are you listening?

  • Donate to Global Voices - Help us spread the word