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mahathir_fan

"One of the possibilities is that the authorities who detained Hao want to use him and his video footage to prosecute members of China’s underground Churches."

This is quite touchy. If the authorities use his videotapes to prosecute members of China's underground cult related churches, the future members of these Christian cults may no longer be willing to allow foreign/Chinese media to interview and follow them through their rituals.

This would then only result in a "small catch" by the Chinese authorities.

To fight against Christian cults, I think the Chinese authorities would be able to do better by exposing them the way they did with Falun Gong.

For example, issuing booklets that question the Catholics fundamental beliefs and adoration for mortals like pope and Virgin Mary which is not in accordance with the Bible's teaching.

The truth of the matter is there are many Christian groups in the West that have been accepted as mainstream but in the more conservative and strict Christian soceity are considered cults. For example, in the last 20 years, there has been a rise in church cults that claim that its members have been showered by gifts by the Holy Spirit that gave them the gifts of speaking in tongues. This has been exposed to be non-sense and fake by a news journalists a few years ago. But this cult movement is still going strong despite the scientific evidence.

Of course, when you try to test their wild imagined claims now about speaking in tongues or miracle healing, they come back and say you cannot put God to the test.

In any case, the Western media should learn from the Massage Milk hoax and be sure that they have spoken to the right person before accusing the Beijing authorities of not having filed any charges. Sorry, but since the Massage Milk hoax, I am now a bit concern and skeptical about everything that I read from the Western media. Good to know that he is still in good health. Perhaps this arrest is also something that he can put in his documentary.

When a person is aware of criminal activies in progress but refuses to cooperate with authorities to expose or prosecute these criminals, is that a crime in itself? I will try and look up US Supreme Court cases to see if such precedences have been set. Clearly, as a law abiding citizen myself, it is a disgust to see a fellow law abiding citizen refusing to testify against criminals, but in this case he is a journalist so I do respect a journalist's right to defend "his sources".


richard

Thanks so much for your outstanding service in providing this information, Rebecca. I really look up to you.

Leave it to "mahathirfan," whom I have proudly banned from my own blog, to post the nonsense you see above.

mahathir_fan

I have just checked on US Supreme Court ruling to see if journalists have the right to keep their sources confidental. It turns out that in 1972, the US Supreme court had ruled that journalist MUST cooperate with grand juries investigate crimes.

The name of the case is Branzburg v. Hayes (1972).

In the ruling: "The Court found that requiring reporters to disclose confidential information to grand juries served a "compelling" and "paramount" state interest and did not violate the First Amendment."

"Justice Byron White declared that the petitioners were asking the Court "to grant newsmen a testimonial privilege that other citizens do not enjoy. This we decline to do."

It appears therefore that Wu Hao must cooperate with Beijing officials to disclose information and evidence to Beijing officials based on the precedence of law that has been set by the US Supreme Court. If Wu Hao does not cooperate with Beijing, it appears that Beijing have the legal right and accepted international law and practice to prosecute Wu Hao.

See:
http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/48/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branzburg_v._Hayes

The ruling was very close, 5-4. So it is possible still that Wu Hao may be able to bring his specific case to the Supreme people's court, and China's supreme people's court may rule otherwise. But the odds are not good because a precedence have been set.

Again, for those so inclined, the name of the landmark case that set the precedence is Branzburg_v._Hayes (1972). This case is very similar to the case that Wu Hao is currently facing.


James J. Na

Wow. Who'd thunk it, I agree with Peking Duck, for once.

mahathir_fan

The likes of Richard like to post their support for freedom of speech on their blog spaces, yet when confronted with dissenting comments from me are unable to themselves respect that very principle. It appears that many blogs on the web has proliferated with bloggers linking to each other all shared a very similar agenda creating a herd behavior in this case China bashing. They each visit each other's blog and pat each other on the back for their latest stinking remark, and when one individual like me enters their blogspace and post a series of dissenting opinions that weakens their argument to the unsuspecting reader, I become a threat and become banned even though my comments were well and consistently within the topic under discussion. They act just like the CPC. In CPC case, they own the internet servers so they claim to have the right to allow or disallow any websites to pass through. In their case, their claim is their blog ownership but in principle, these bloggers do not respect freedom. They only want freedom because they don't have it, but if they are the ones in power, they would have acted the same to restrict other's freedom considered to be a threat.


Rebecca MacKinnon

I won't ban you MF. I disagree with you most of the time. Generally I can't be bothered to argue with you. But I know a fair amount of people in China and elsewhere in Asia who share your views. I find it instructive for my readers to know that such views exist - and to think about why that might be the case.

prayer

Thank you to let me know this, Rebecca.I wll pray for Wu.

bobby fletcher

I went to church in China and nobody arrested me, what gives? Could it be that I, as a guest to their country, show the curtisey of not breaking their laws?

http://chruchinchina.blogspot.com/

Let's for the moment put aside the argument weither China's laws are right or wrong according to our senstivity. The fact remains their laws exists according to their sensitivity, and it has effect in their land.

Rule of law dictates laws are to be observed - else it's anarchy. Unjust law should be changed within the existing reality and current states - else pay the price of civil disobidience.

I'm sure by now you are bord of these obvious principles of our proud western tradition which many neglects while indicting China. Let's talk about weither the law that's involved is just.

The reason church go underground IMHO isn't because they are "unauthorized" Catholics or Prostants. The Church I attended in Zhengzhou was a Protestant church.

My understanding of the reason chruches go "underground" is because they refuse to observe China's law protecting children's right to religious freedom that bars adults from indoctrinating children until the age of 16 (with flexibility).

Reailty is there ain't enough GongAN to kick down the doors and arrest every parent that reads the Bible to their kids, or grandmothers who BaiBai the Kitchen God with little MeiMei.

But when pastors encouraged by American missionaries to break China's law and hold bible school, advertise to the whole village, invite the policeman's kid to come every sunday for the brainswashing cession - what do you think happens?

bobby fletcher

BTW, I'm proud to joing MF's rank as "banned by pkd".

Dobel

It is a pity to read such blog entry. Have you ever been to China? How much do you know about religion in China?

I am a Chinese Christian. I have been a protestant since the age of 8 month old. Now you are talking about no freedom of religion in China. You should feel shamed for what you said. That is totally nonsense.

Organizors of those unrecoginzed churchs attemp to control congregants who usually are not well-educated and to manipulate them to do something against Chinese government.

Shame on you. You know nothing right about China, but you dare disseminate your ridiculous opinion to those who have a good wish of knowing what is going on china.

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