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February 18, 2006

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Tom - Daai Tou Laam

I would disagree with your comments about ESWN's comments.

you are in fact aiding and abetting real criminals most of the time.

I've never seen ESWN reference an actual statistic to prove this sort of assertion on who is targeted by internet warrants. I've also never seen ESWN reference an actual statistic on the number of warrants received by any ISP or Internet Content Provider, while he's made claims about there being large numbers that make scrutinising individual warrants difficult.

This is especially bewildering given the puff piece he translated on the day in the life of a Chinese internet policeman, where they seemingly do nothing and never generate any search warrants.

As a former ISP sysadmin, I'm skeptical, but open to follow-ups or emails providing details from admins actually handling such requests.

As for reaching a practical and workable solution, I'm one of those that think Congressional hearings/legislative comments could be one of the steps in reaching that practical and workable solution.

And that includes identifying sections of Chinese law that are so ambiguous and vague that they make US corporations doing business in China subject to capricious interpretations by cadres, such as laws pertaining to search warrants and what constitutes censorable material.

It may be up to the Chinese government to alter these laws, but in the meantime Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, etc can allow their money and prestige to speak to the Chinese to urge them to clarify and delineate these laws to help shelter the business sector from "shifting winds" and foster a true sense of "the rule of law".

Jeremy Goldkorn

Rebecca,

Thanks for the link, but the piece on Danwei you refer to was written by Dror Poleg.

Curt

This has little to do with 'saving the Chinese from themselves' and much more to do with saving ourselves from our own (American) companies. We don't wish for our companies to do things that are in direct opposition to our values as a people. So, we are going to attempt to govern our companies whether the citizens of other countries like it or not.

niubi

so at what point do people start to point fingers at the US VCs who are funding many of the companies doing business in China, and at the institutional investors who invest in those funds, like Harvard and Stanford University? Yhy don't harvard students, for example, start a diverstiture campaign to force the Harvard corporation to pull its money from any funds that invest in firms that in any way cooperate with the Chinese government in its controls on free speech and human rights?

Rebecca MacKinnon

Jeremy,
Oops. Corrected. Apologies to Dror!

Rebecca MacKinnon

Tom,
"And that includes identifying sections of Chinese law that are so ambiguous and vague that they make US corporations doing business in China subject to capricious interpretations by cadres, such as laws pertaining to search warrants and what constitutes censorable material.

It may be up to the Chinese government to alter these laws, but in the meantime Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, etc can allow their money and prestige to speak to the Chinese to urge them to clarify and delineate these laws to help shelter the business sector from "shifting winds" and foster a true sense of "the rule of law"."

I agree with you there 100%.

Monkey

I am a Chinese who lives in Hong Kong. I can't avoid making a comment on the so-called Chinese's comment on the U.S.'s defense of the freedom of speech on the internet.

The internet is built originally as a bunch of separated individual networks linked together by some fiber optics. China (the Mainland Chinese Communist government), by linking its computers to the internet, has to face the fact that it has to abandone its identity as Chinese. As an internet citizen, one should abide to the code of conduct widely accepted by the majority of the internet community.

Claiming that any action of the Mainland government on the networks and the machines located in Mainland China is a strict internal affair belonging only to the Chinese people has seriously overlooked the true meaning of the term "internet."

The recent censoring of the internet connections located in China is not only an affair that concerns Chinese, but also the people around the world. Freedom of expression consists of the freedom of conveying and receiving information. On the internet, anyone from any country should freely transmit and receive any information from anywhere. Unless China declares its networks as a module that is total separated from the internet community of the globe, it has to follow the internet code of conduct.

Therefore, I suggest whoever says that the freedom of expression of the people in China is an affair strictly internal to China should unplug his/her computer and stop sending out messages to try to convince other people around the world through the internet. To that person, his/her affair is of no interest to the "cyber-citizens" on the internet; therefore, he/she should keep his/her own opinion strict to himself/herself!

Filip Björner

Hi Rebecca!

I have started a campaign against the censorship by Google in China. Please join this boycott campaign!

Read about it at my site, download a banner from me, publish it on your site and link back to me. Then mail me about it, and I will make a link from there back to the site where you use the banner.

Anyone can contact me about this:
[email protected]
http://hem.passagen.se/boycott-google/

Cheers
Filip Björner

Rebecca MacKinnon

Thanks Filip. Actually I think you ought to start by boycotting Yahoo! What they have done in China is much more evil.

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