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July 29, 2007

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NelC

mahathir_fan, your apologia for the Chinese government is rather thin. As a troll, you have a lot to learn. Such an obvious piece of quote-mining. I, myself, did not witness anything at Tiananmin Square, but that means nothing because I wasn't there. This guy saw nothing, you say? Well, what does that prove? Who is he? Where was he?

The eminent and respected BBC journalist Kate Adie was there, and she seems to be in no doubt that there was a massacre. Are you accusing her of lying? Of keeping up the lie for eighteen years? Of faking the injuries she suffered getting her videotape away?

You're going to have to produce something a little more compelling to convince the rest of the world that your amateur propaganda is the truth.

mahathir_fan

"This guy saw nothing, you say? Well, what does that prove? Who is he? Where was he?"

Obviously you have not even bothered to view the youtube link I sent you or maybe you don't understand mandarin. If you did, you would know that he is Hou DeJian, one of the more prominent leaders of the June 4th demonstration.

After you find out more about the truth about Tiananmen, then go and read:
http://www.alternativeinsight.com/Tiananmen.html

Don't worry. I too was once ignorant like you. For a little over 10 years, I thought a massacre had happened on June 4th and 2000 students died. I believed that because that was what the "respectable" Western news media reported.

Then one day, I had the opportunity to meet a student from Mainland China and I "lecture" him about June 4th. He defended and was stubborn like an ass.

I then decided that I needed to dig more evidence myself to convince him of the "evil" Chinese government instead of just "passing" over to him what I know about Tiananmen from the Western media. Obviously, his interpretation of Tiananmen was so screwd he must be one of the products of Chinese government propaganda.

But the more I tried to dig the truth about Tiananmen, the more I realized that it was me who had been misled. Even the most sticking vivid picture of Tianmen - tanks rolling into the square, spraying bullets on the students resulting in a mass massacre did not even happen! Not a single person died on the Square that day!

I realized that the guy from Mainland China was right. And I who had access to the "free" media was dead wrong. I could not rely on the media to tell me what happen. I had to do my own research to get it. And that is my advice to you.


Matt Harwood

May I just say, Rebecca, you are providing an important service here - and I would like to sincerely thank you for your posts.

Yahoo! has angered me here, possibly even more than when Google censored and the click of China's fingers. I'm considering relieving myself of their services - and notifying them why. I just have an important email address there, which is annoying!

Keep up the great work, love the blog, subscribed :) (Found you via techmeme.com)

Charles Liu

Nel, find time to take a look the Columbia School of Journalism's TAM retrospective:

http://archives.cjr.org/year/98/5/tiananmen.asp

Here's a memoir from journalist Graham Earnshaw disputing fellow reporter Elizabeth Pisani who left the scene but claims to have seen tanks roll over students.

http://www.earnshaw.com/memoirs/content.php?id=16

Sonagi

Mahathir Fan is a troll well-known in the Korea blogosphere. He was kicked off one blog for making other outrageous assertions. My favorite: The North Korean famine was made up. Mahathir Fan's evidence: a photo of North Korean children eating. I kid you not. Even the North Koreans never denied they had a food shortage.

mahathir_fan

I was kicked out because the people could not handle someone constantly skewing their agenda.

I never denied there was a famine in North Korea in the mid 90s. What I do question is the dramatization and subsequent politicization of the famine.

For instance, many famine photos of North Korean famine is in black and white. This strikes me as odd. Who shoots with Black and White photos anymore? My only reasonable guess is that these pieces of photos had passed through the hands of a Public Relations Firm. If that is the case, then I need to ever more scrutinize it because the people showing these photos have an agenda so important they paid a PR firm to do the job instead of giving the money to the North Korean children!


Also the use of black and white photo when the photo was originaly shot in colour for the purpose of dramatizing a tragedy is clearly violation of the ethics of journalism. The usage of black and white colour photos is a technique that is commonly seen in political ads because it works. How it violates the code of ethics? Here:

http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

Journalists should: — Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.

I also discredited a scene in Seoul Train which showed children eating from the ground. Through replay, I noticed the scene was taken from a marketplace. There were food on the stalls. But the children were still eating from the ground. So I suspect that this part have been coached.

And what happens when we the ordinary readers do not ask question to test the integrity of the story? We will believe that there are still weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that 2000 people were crushed by tanks on Tiananmen Square.


Andrew

Let's say you're an employee of a company working in China. The Chinese government subpoenas you to provide some information on someone they are investigating.

What are your options?
1. Comply, possibly give up one of your customers
2. Fight it, likely go to jail
3. Lie, say you don't have it, probably go to jail

It's a no-win situation if the government is going after good people.

For American companies, the choice is really to comply or to not to do business in China. American companies don't want their Chinese workers to end up in Chinese jail.

The only difference between if this were the US is that complying is less likely to result in something bad. However, jail in the US is also much more pleasant than China's prisons.

J.S.

mahathir_fan your words are thinly vailed excuses and poor propaganda at best. Stop leaving rubbish on good posts; My grandfather was at the Square on that fateful day and it was indeed a mssacare.

To denounce the experiences of so many people and to lie about things you don't understand is not only a atrocity of monumental proportion, it is also a sign of how sick and corrupt some people can be.

Whoever you may be, scurry quickly now back to your corporate or political masters to eat from their hands and sniff the ume of their feet you wretched.

morning

Yahoo! Taiwan had shut down a popular personal blog - Mango Daily (http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/antired-newspaper) on Nov.21, 2008. Mango Daily is a popular and awarded blog that voices for Taiwanese democracy.

Mango Daily's recent article about a protest rally against China envoy's visit to Taiwan infuriated a riot control policeman and that officer
asked Yahoo! to shut down Mango Daily. The riot policeman had postings on his own blog supporting the conduct of the police force during the Chinese envoy's stay in Taiwan. Mango Daily's article included a snapshot of the policeman's articles and criticism of his ideology. Yahoo! removed the Mango Daily's article and eventually shut down that blog on 3:00pm, Nov.21, 2008. Following the case of Shi-Tao , Yahoo! again played its role as an agent of totalitarian.

Yahoo! Taiwan's decision has generated serious apprehensions among Taiwanese regarding freedom of speech. Bloggers and internet users had written and questioned the action of Yahoo! Taiwan. With Yahoo! Hong Kong as the holding company of Yahoo! Taiwan, we are deeply concerned that China would seize the opportunity to manipulate and that Taiwan's hard-earned democracy and freedom would be jeopardized.

Here is a letter by International Federation for Human Rights expressing their concerns regarding the protest incident in Taiwan.
http://www.fidh.org/spip.php?article6006

The press release from the Freedom House regarding the same incident.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=70&release=725

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